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\"Ryan<\/a>Q: How would you introduce yourself and your work to our readers?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It\u2019s funny, introducing myself is probably my least favorite thing to do. I\u2019ve always been an introvert and so one of the reasons I\u2019ve always liked writing is that I don\u2019t have to do that very often\u2014I just say what I think or know and people take it or leave. Usually at parties, I introduce myself as \u201cMy name is Ryan and I am a writer,\u201d and since most people assume writers are basically starving artist, that usually wraps up that part of the conversation and then we can talk about normal things and not work. The slightly longer answer is that I am an author who has written five books, three about practical philosophy and two about marketing and media. The latter due came out of my career as the director of marketing for American Apparel and my work with a number of other authors and public figures. My books on philosophy, The Obstacle is the Way<\/em>, Ego is the Enemy<\/em> and now, The Daily Stoic<\/em> came out of my love of philosophy and history. They are filled with stories and advice for people who are trying to achieve things, solve problems and find their version of the good life.<\/p>\n

Q: How do you currently makes use of Stoicism in your work?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I say that my books are books that feature stoicism as opposed to being works of Stoicism. I think it\u2019s incredibly hard to add something new to the canon of ancient philosophy as a modern person. There is room to translate, extrapolate and illustrate\u2014and that\u2019s what I did in The Obstacle is the Way<\/em> I took a single stoic exercise from Marcus Aurelius and built a book of inspiring historical stories around it. As a executive and an entrepreneur, Stoicism is also a part of my life. Something goes wrong\u2014how do I respond? Stoicism is there. I have to make an ethical decision, I want to try to think about the Stoic definition of virtue. If I\u2019m experiencing success\u2014material or otherwise\u2014well, what do the Stoics say about how to handle that. None of that is to say that I am perfect in my application (in writing or in life) but I try and I think I\u2019m getting better the longer I do it.<\/p>\n

Q: When and how did you first become interested in Stoicism?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I was 19 years old and I attended a conference with the radio and television host Dr. Drew Pinsky. I asked him for a book recommendation and he put me onto the Stoics. To say that recommendation changed my life does not go far enough. It has in fact directed the entire course of my life. Marcus Aurelius was what Tyler Cowen calls a \u201cquake book\u201d for me. It shook everything I knew about the world. I\u2019ve since turned to it hundreds of times\u2014good times and bad times\u2014and consulted it in my most difficult moments. After Marcus, I fell in love with Seneca and then Epictetus. Then I moved on to Pierre Hadot. I believe I found your work and the connection to CBT shortly after that. It\u2019s been a ten year journey now, and I still feel like I am at the very beginning of it. The books don\u2019t change, but like Marcus quoted from Heraclitus reading them is like stepping into a river. We are not the same and they are not same because of it.<\/p>\n

Q: What’s the most important aspect of Stoicism to you?<\/strong><\/p>\n

There\u2019s a line that I like in Hays\u2019s translation of Marcus Aurelius that I think sums up Stoicism and that I use as a good summary of the idea. I can actually type it from memory, here:<\/p>\n

Objective judgement, now at this very moment,
\nUnselfish action, now at this very moment,
\nWilling acceptance, now at this very moment, of all external events.
\nThat is all you need.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

To me that captures the three disciplines (perception, action, will) very nicely. It tells you how to see the world, how to act in the world, and how to come to terms with the world. It is indeed all one needs. You could spend a lifetime trying to just live that quote.<\/p>\n

Q: In what ways do you think Stoicism still matters today?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Well, look we\u2019re in a resurgence of Stoicism precisely because it does matter today. The reason that its found resonance with entrepreneurs and athletes alike is because not only are we in tumultuous times, but like the days of the Romans, many of us \u2018stand alone in the universe.\u201d What I mean is that with the decline of religion, even a decline in ideas like patriotism, leaves a vacuum. How should one life? What metric should they judge their decisions by? What matters? What doesn\u2019t? These are questions that Stoicism helps answer. Or at least, they help me answer.<\/p>\n

Q: How has Stoicism affected the way you live your life?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Like I said, Stoicism has helped me professionally and personally. I\u2019m somewhat unique in that I also partly make my living studying and writing and speaking about this philosophy. I feel very lucky in that regard\u2014because I would be doing it anyway. In any case, it is rare that a day goes by that I don\u2019t think of some Stoic precept or idea.<\/p>\n

Q: What’s one of your favourite Stoic quotations and why?<\/strong><\/p>\n

A different times in my life I have loved different parts of Stoicism, but right now I really love this line from Marcus: \u201cTo accept without arrogance, to let it go with indifference.\u201d We translated it in even pithier form in The Daily Stoic<\/em>: \u201cReceive without pride, let go without attachment.\u201d To me it\u2019s one of those perfect expressions like \u201cAnd this too shall pass.\u201d It\u2019s a recipe for any and every situation. It makes you better in good times, stronger in bad times.<\/p>\n

Q: What advice would you give someone wanted to learn more about Stoicism?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I usually tell them to start with the originals. Don\u2019t read about Stoicism, read the Stoics. I think Marcus Aurelius is the most accessible, but Seneca is better for those who want more of a narrative and exposition. Epictetus is probably the hardest one to start with. One of the reasons we created The Daily Stoic<\/em> was to give people a place to get a sampling of all the big three and then some of the others like Zeno and Cleanthes. You can also go to DailyStoic.com<\/a> for a daily email of Stoic thinking and interviews. I\u2019m a big fan of r\/Stoicism on Reddit<\/a> as well and post there pretty often because the discussions are great.<\/p>\n

But the best way to start is the same way people have been starting with centuries: with one the text of one of the masters. Read it and think about it and read it again!<\/p>\n

\"Obstacle<\/a>Q: Do you have anything else that you wanted to mention while we have the chance?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Not really\u2014I hope people like what I have to say. Not everyone understands or appreciates what I\u2019ve tried to do with Stoicism but I do hope they can see that I am genuine in my interest (I don\u2019t want to say passion) for Stoicism and I\u2019ll talk about it with anyone, anywhere. I always try to explain that the vast majority of people are turned off to philosophy because of how its historically been taught, but if you sell them on what philosophy can do for them they are much more open to it. That\u2019s what my writing is about and I\u2019m going to bring Stoicism to as many people as I can that way!<\/p>\n

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Ryan Holiday is the author of three books on Stoicism:\u00a0The Obstacle is the Way<\/em><\/a>, Ego is the Enemy<\/em><\/a>, and his latest The Daily Stoic<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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